Excerpts from
Conversations with [an occult]"God"
by Neale Donald Walsch
These popular books are an abysmal mockery of the true God, our sovereign Lord. We post this information as a warning of a rapid shift from Biblical truth and factual thinking to occult spirituality with it emphasis on feelings, imagination and mystical experience.
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The quotes below reflect the mystical teachings of the occult Theosophical and "New Thought" movements.1 Each is part of a dialogue between author Neale Donald Walsch and a spiritual entity (spirit guide or demon) that calls itself "God." The result is a seductive occult message spoken with divine authority. Apparently, millions of people believe these twisted messages came from our God. That’s not surprising, since Walsch’s books were promoted on the New York Times bestsellers list for years. Nor should we expect to be immune to the timeless pattern of deception that caused the decay of ancient Israel. The prophet Jeremiah could well be speaking to us today:
"Hear now, Hananiah, the LORD has not sent you, but you make this people trust in a lie. . . . you have taught rebellion against the LORD." (Jeremiah 28:14-15)
Because these books touch so many lives, and because their message reflects the global and spiritual philosophy of many educators and politicians in this country, we need to discern the source, understand the deception, and heed God’s guidelines:
"As you have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." (Colossians 2:6-8)
Viewing the conversations between Walsch and his god from a Christian perspective, I believe that he received the politically correct answers through a blend of two increasingly popular occult practices: channeling and automatic writing. As he explains in Book 2,
"On a blank sheet of paper, I would merely write a question. . . and no sooner was the question written than the answer would form in my head, as if Someone were whispering in my ear. I was taking dictation!"
This "Someone" is acknowledged at the beginning of the book as "That Which Is All Things, and which is the source of all things, including this book." Then Walsch lists other spiritual teachers, "especially angels sent to me by God to bring me a particular message." Finally he thanks the following for "their gifts to me": Ken Keyes, Dolly Parton, Jimmy Carter, Shirley MacLaine, Oprah Winfrey, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Hugh Downs, and Gene Roddenberry.
He sends a special thanks to Robert Mueller (sic), "whose work on behalf of world peace has blessed us all, and inspired this planet with new hope and a spectacular vision for over half a century." Lest you think Muller is a minor player on the world stage, know that who served as Under-Secretary-General of the United Nations for more than three decades, worked on a global education program with UNESCO, prepared a World Core Curriculum to change the values of children around the world, and attributes his curriculum to the wisdom of Djwhval Khul, spirit guide to theosophical guru, Alice Bailey.2
[Occult] Conversations with "God" - Book 1 by Neale Donald Walsch
"God": "My most common form of communication is through feeling. Feeling is the language of the soul." (p.3)
NDW: "How can I know this communication is from God? How do I know this is not my own imagination?"
"God": "Do you not see that I could just as easily work through your imagination as anything else?" (6)
"God": You are always in the process of creating. Every moment... Events, occurrences, happenings, conditions, circumstances – all are created out of consciousness. Individual consciousness is powerful enough. You can imagine what kind of creative energy is unleashed whenever two or more are gathered in My name. And mass consciousness? Why, that is so powerful it can create events and circumstances of worldwide import and planetary consequences." (35)
EVOLUTION
"The soul is very clear that its purpose is evolution. That is its sole purpose...." (82)"The highest feeling is the experience of unity with All That Is. This is the great return to Truth for which the soul years. This is the feeling of perfect love." (83)
ORIGINAL SIN
"This alleged state of imperfection in which you are said to come into this world is what your religionists have the gall to call original sin. . . Some of your religions have built up whole theologies around this misconception. . . Yet, in order to justify the idea of a punitive God, your religions needed to create something for me to be angry about.. . . Sop you’d better do something about all of this… or you’ll go straight to hell. This, in the end, may do nothing to mollify a weird, vindictive, angry God, but it does give life to weird, vindictive, angry religions." (119-120. See also 136)"Only humans are judgmental, and because you are, you assume that I must be. Yet I am not…" (183)
HIGHLY EVOLVED MASTERS
"...a select few - will return with a different mission. You will return to density and matter for the soul purpose of bringing others out of density and matter." [The same message as in Betty Eadie’s Embraced by the Light] (184)THOUGHTS
"Nothing occurs in your life – nothing – which is not first a thought. Thoughts are like magnets, drawing effects to you." (188)"It is very difficult to reverse the effects of negative thinking once they have taken physical form." (189)
RIGHT AND WRONG
NDW: Then the evolutionists are right!"God": "I find it amusing… that you humans have such a need to break everything down into right and wrong. It never occurs to you that you’ve made those labels up to help you define the material – and your Self." (194)
GOD & MAN
"Now I’ll explain to you the ultimate mystery: your exact and true relationship to Me. YOU ARE MY BODY. As your body is to your mind and soul, so too, are you to My mind and soul. Therefore: Everything I experience I experience through you." (197)"I am God, as you know understand Him. I am Goddess as you now comprehend Her. I am the Conceiver and the Creator of Everything you now know and experience, and you are My children. . . even as I am the child of another."" (197)
"God is the energy you call imagination. God is creation. God is first thought. And God is last experience. And God is everything in between." (198)
REINCARNATION
NDW: "Is there such a thing as reincarnation?""God": "You have had 647 past lives, since you insist on being exact. This is your 648th. You were everything in them. A king, a queen, a serf…. No, there is not such thing as karmic debt – not in the sense that you mean… You are not obligated to do anything." (204)
PSYCHIC POWER
"Using psychic ability is nothing more than using your sixth sense. Obviously, this is not "trafficking with the devil," or I would not have given this sense to you. And, of course, there is no devil with whom to traffic." (205)God: "Of course sex is 'okay.' … Play with sex. Play with it! It’s wonderful fun." (205)
"Sex is sacred, too… But joy and sacredness do mix (they are in fact the same thing)… You have repressed sex, even as you have repressed life, rather than fully Self expressing with abandon and joy. You have shamed sex, even as you have shamed life, calling it evil and wicked, rather than the highest gift and the greatest pleasure." 207
"The energy that which underscores sex is the energy which underscores life…" 207
"Call on Me, therefore, wherever and whenever you are separate from the peace that I am. I will be there. With truth. And Light. And love." (211)
CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD, Book 2 INTRODUCTION
NDW: "...we choose to create a better life for all, to elevate our consciousness, to seek a newer world. . . . He is willing to show us the way. She will not force us, however....""GOD"
"To some of you I am pure energy. To some, the ultimate feeling, which you call love. . . . I AM. I am the wind which rustles your hair. I am the sun which warms your body. I am the rain...""Whatever works for you, whatever makes it happen – whatever ritual, ceremony, demonstration, meditation, thought, song, word, or action it takes for you to 'reconnect' – do this. Do this in remembrance of Me." (25-26)
THERE IS NO EVIL
"Hitler went to heaven." (35)"Because Hitler did nothing wrong. Hitler simply did what he did." (55)
"...The mistakes Hitler made did no harm or damage to those whose deaths he caused. Those souls were released from their earthly bondage. . . . No one who has experienced death ever mourns the death of anyone." (42)
"Hitler was created by you. He arose out of your Collective Consciousness.... The consciousness of separation, segregation, superiority – of 'we' versus 'they,' of 'us" and 'them' – is what creates the Hitler Experience. The consciousness of Divine Brotherhood, of unity, of Oneness, of 'ours,' not just 'yours/mine,' is what creates the Christ experience." (55)
ALL ARE CREATORS
"Everyone is creating everything now being experienced. . . for I am everyone. . . . There is only one of us." (68)"God is the All, and the Goddess is everything, and there is nothing else that is;" (92)
LOOK OUT FOR NUMBER ONE
"You must always put yourselves first! . . . Putting yourself first does not mean being what you term "selfish" – it means being self aware." (98)HOMOSEXUALITY
"So many people want to say that I am against gay sexuality – or the acting out of it. Yet I make no judgment on this or any other choice you make." (103)COMMUNISM
"The idea behind the statement "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is not evil, it is beautiful. It is simply another way of saying you are your brothers keeper. It is the implementation of this beautiful idea that can become ugly." (162)THE SIN OF SEPARATION 3
G: "The real question is not why do governments impose so many rules and regulations on the people, but why do governments have to? The answer has to do with your Separation Consciousness."NDW: "The fact that we see ourselves as separate from each other."
"Yes."
NDW: "But if we aren’t separate, then we are One. And doesn’t that mean we are responsible for each other?"
"Yes."
NDW: "If I am responsible for all others, then the Communist Manifesto was right! . . . There are those who say that the concept had to be forced because the concept violates the basic nature of man."
G: You’ve hit the nail on the head. What need to be changed is the basic nature of man.4 (See 168-169)
GLOBAL CONSCIOUSNESS
You must stop seeing God as separate from you, and you a separate from each other. The only solution is the Ultimate Truth: nothing exists in the universe that is separate from anything else. Everything is intrinsically connected, irrevocably interdependent, interactive, interwoven into the fabric of all life. All governments, all politics must be based on this truth. All laws must be rooted in it. This is the future hope of your race; the only hope for your planet." (173)Indeed, a global consciousness is what is required." (174)
"...you are damaging and depleting your mother, the Earth, the giver of all life, out of a complete disregard for her needs and natural processes." (182)
ECONOMICS
"Eliminate money. . . Or at the very least, eliminate its invisibility. . . . If everyone knew everything about everybody’s money situation . . . there would be fairness and equity." (183)"I dare you to throw out all your money, all your papers and coins and individual national currencies, and start over. Develop an international monetary system that is wide open, totally visible, immediately traceable, completely accountable. Establish a World wide Compensation System..." (186. See also 187-188)
GLOBALISM
. . . establish what some have called a one-world government, with a world court to settle disputes . . . and a world peacekeeping force. . . . (196-197)Your George Bush, whom history will judge to be a man of far greater wisdom, vision, compassion, and courage than contemporary society was willing or able to acknowledge, was such a leader. So was Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev." (199)
"All would be given minimal survival portions. Those who have more would be given an opportunity to contribute 10 percent of the earnings." (209)
"Just as there would be lower limits on income, so would there be upper limits. First, nearly everyone will tithe 10 percent of their income to the world government." (211)
CONCLUSION
NDW: "The Divine purpose of Conversations with God, I now see, is to raise that collective consciousness. The words . . . were aimed through me at the entire world." (256)_____________________________________________________________________
All page numbers above refer to Conversations with God (Hampton Roads Publishing Company, Inc., 1997)
Endnotes:
1. Walsch links the "New Thought Movement" to the myth of "the hundredth monkey." (p. 255) I will post an explanation later. Della Reese, who plays Tess in "Touched by an Angel," also belongs in the New Thought camp. Her message fits the church she founded: "Understanding Principles of Better Living." Its logo, a hot-air balloon, symbolizes "understanding the principles of positive thought." She sees God, not "in the sky with a beard like Neptune’s sitting on a throne watching me", but as one "spirit and he disperses himself in various bodies. . . . There’s a piece of God in you. That’s how you can breathe."
2. See Brave New Schools, chapter 2.
3. See "Local Agenda 21" and "Clinton’s War on Hate Bans Christian Values"
4. This is a call for behavior modification – the kind of psycho-social strategies already in place in our schools. We are following the UNESCO blueprint. See Chapter 2 and 3 in Brave New Schools
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